tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post3167627857065921772..comments2023-10-17T06:26:31.005-07:00Comments on Evolutionary Middleman: Contradicting Evo (or, really, Ancient Atheist)John Evohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10868904051881865159noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-32336217653976174882009-05-16T12:44:00.000-07:002009-05-16T12:44:00.000-07:00Thanks, Evo. I'll leave this well alone now, at le...<A HREF="http://www.thewarfareismental.info/the_warfare_is_mental/2009/05/on-atheists-blind-faith-or-false-arguments-27-28-why-prayer-studies-are-not-credible.html#comment-6a00d8357e0d0069e20115708d61f2970b" REL="nofollow">Thanks</A>, Evo. I'll leave this well alone now, at least on your blog. Sorry Philly is in such denial. Anticipating his next comment, I submit that I'm done here, and I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-83534354210837524182009-05-15T16:44:00.000-07:002009-05-15T16:44:00.000-07:00Red herring. Do you deny that you've made a positi...Red herring. Do you deny that you've made a positive claim? Are you finally ready to discuss the studies you've kept conveniently veiled thus far? Can you at least name one prayer study you feel is scientifically credible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-54824962140209734022009-05-15T16:30:00.000-07:002009-05-15T16:30:00.000-07:00Evidence lies in your infamous blog commenting his...Evidence lies in your infamous blog commenting history, including these recent doozies of yours.PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-13831688499784222722009-05-15T16:04:00.000-07:002009-05-15T16:04:00.000-07:00As usual, statements with no evidence. As far as r...As usual, statements with no evidence. As far as reaping what we sow, indeed we will - and do. <br /><br />Do you deny that you've made a positive claim? Are you finally ready to discuss the studies you've kept conveniently veiled thus far? Can you at least name one prayer study you feel is scientifically credible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-49637038442116835372009-05-15T15:57:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:57:00.000-07:00you're such a dick to me all the time.
You reap w...<I>you're such a dick to me all the time</I>.<br /><br />You reap what you sow.<br /><br /><I> your error is to presume this discussion is rational</I>.<br /><br />Oh no, this discussion of yours is absurd.<br /><br /><I>Does the fact that nobody's challenged your DL mean that all DL's are credible?</I>You completely missed the point of the analogy, either willfully or due to your inferior PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-64444423983387554632009-05-15T15:50:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:50:00.000-07:00I did say those things, and I believe them. I make...I did say those things, and I believe them. I make special exception for you because you're such a dick to me all the time, and your error is to presume this discussion is rational. Insults detract from <I>rational</I> discussions, which is not the type of discussion we're having, because you (and Evo) refuse to justify your positive claim that prayer studies are credible (or even cite a single Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-53203647890102824722009-05-15T15:36:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:36:00.000-07:00Didn't you say insults and snide remarks weren't r...Didn't you say insults and snide remarks weren't rational? Are you giving up the claim of being rational, or the claim that such things aren't rational?<br /><br />I'm being as serious as the conversation warrants.PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-85536739824669082072009-05-15T15:31:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:31:00.000-07:00Yes, I do deny the credibility of all prayer studi...Yes, I do deny the credibility of all prayer studies - just as you continually deny that it's your responsibility to support positive claims with evidence. <br /><br />Are you ever going to get serious about this stuff? Or will you forever remain an emotional poser wearing a rationalist's T-shirt?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-4687700833022853962009-05-15T15:10:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:10:00.000-07:00That's nice you deny the credibility of peer revie...That's nice you deny the credibility of peer reviewed experiments. <br /><br />There's this homeless guy near campus who denies the credibility of anyone unless they're wearing red (apparently you can't lie when wearing red). Naturally he doesn't think highly of the police, but he trusts me because of my Chiefs cap (also, being on my head, then I REALLY can't lie). Come visit Philadelphia and PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-6518357386021155612009-05-15T14:58:00.000-07:002009-05-15T14:58:00.000-07:00Are your innocently dense or purposely dishonest h...Are your innocently dense or purposely dishonest here? Or perhaps anything else but correct?<br /><br />YOU made the POSITIVE CLAIM that the credibility of prayer studies has been established. I <A HREF="http://www.thewarfareismental.info/the_warfare_is_mental/2009/05/on-atheists-blind-faith-or-false-arguments-27-28-why-prayer-studies-are-not-credible.html" REL="nofollow">deny</A> your claim on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-88435571245485905072009-05-15T13:58:00.000-07:002009-05-15T13:58:00.000-07:00Last time, you're making the claim, thus your burd...Last time, you're making the claim, thus your burden of proof.<br /><br />Have a nice dayPhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-60293533778818074112009-05-15T13:52:00.000-07:002009-05-15T13:52:00.000-07:00Twiddle away, eventually you'll get tired and quit...Twiddle away, eventually you'll get tired and quit or rise to the challenge. You act like you still don't get it, but I believe you do. <br /><br />You and Evo made the positive claim that prayer studies - <I>of which you refuse to cite even one</I> - are credible. That's a positive claim, and you've already been corrected on that. I've denied that claim, and asked you to support it with evidenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-89984436667103038882009-05-15T13:43:00.000-07:002009-05-15T13:43:00.000-07:00The charge is nothing I have to defend against, it...The charge is nothing I have to defend against, it's one you have to justify, and that's no small task. I can't help but wonder why one would pursue such a task, but then I'm the curious type.<br /><br />Anyway, while you try and complete that task, I'm left here twiddling my thumbs, so all I can do is speculate about your motives. Of course I could just go do something else...PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-4656154840294202272009-05-15T13:36:00.000-07:002009-05-15T13:36:00.000-07:00Faced with the charge that prayer studies are not ...Faced with the charge that prayer studies are not credible and your original comment was unfalsifiable and unscientific, all you have done is shift focus to your assumptions concerning my possible motives. Is that rational?<br /><br />I make the claims I make on atheist sites because I'm not trying to uphold God, but rationalism, logic and science. While you gas on irrelevantly and controlled notAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-33499349623982965802009-05-15T13:19:00.000-07:002009-05-15T13:19:00.000-07:00I'm merely curious why someone who believes in pra...I'm merely curious why someone who believes in prayer would argue against being able to make claims of any kind about the efficacy of prayer. That seems like the proverbial 'cut off your nose to spite your face' tactic. Pretty extreme just to try and kill claims that prayer doesn't work.<br /><br />But I suppose that's all you could do, right? Faced with the charge that prayer doesn't work, you PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-53934608131512593302009-05-15T13:02:00.000-07:002009-05-15T13:02:00.000-07:00PhillyChief said, "I have to admit, it would be ni...<B>PhillyChief</B> said, "I have to admit, it would be nice to never hear anyone claim anything about the efficacy of prayer ever again."<br /><br />Does that mean you've finally come out from under your blankie to see the light of reason? If you were smart, you would have realized my argument helps you as much as me instead of making your typical knee-jerk replies, which only reveal how easy it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-29139148377303774452009-05-15T11:40:00.000-07:002009-05-15T11:40:00.000-07:00I think the only thing "devastating" is the shear ...I think the only thing "devastating" is the shear abundance of text. Shame to see so many words go to waste.<br /><br />The amusing result of cl's argument would be that no one could make any claims whatsoever about the efficacy of prayer. I have to admit, it would be nice to never hear anyone claim anything about the efficacy of prayer ever again. Maybe it would go the way of rain dances then.PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-55884458440491711782009-05-14T21:05:00.000-07:002009-05-14T21:05:00.000-07:00In spite of the smacktalk, so far my argument agai...In spite of the smacktalk, so far my <A HREF="http://www.thewarfareismental.info/the_warfare_is_mental/2009/05/on-atheists-blind-faith-or-false-arguments-27-28-why-prayer-studies-are-not-credible.html" REL="nofollow">argument</A> against you two (and all prayer studies) has been called "devastating," and that by the first skeptic who read it. To each their own, I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-52024526178991059432009-05-14T16:09:00.000-07:002009-05-14T16:09:00.000-07:00I like that you make posts where you criticize you...I like that you make posts where you criticize yourself and your own arguments and seem to have no problem admitting when you're wrong. I extended the same courtesy to you on my own blog regarding the "call for vigilance" thing and am still awaiting your response. As I said over <A HREF="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7034153467181363967&postID=3674412154680039783&page=1" REL="nofollow"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-3499169981599912692009-04-30T19:46:00.000-07:002009-04-30T19:46:00.000-07:00Wishful thinking. NYC is both Sesame Street and A...Wishful thinking. NYC is both Sesame Street <I>and</I> Avenue Q. All other cities, with the possible exception of London, are Romper Room. Or maybe Zoobilly Zoo.Rachel E. Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680726406269892054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-28748315734029177242009-04-29T04:56:00.000-07:002009-04-29T04:56:00.000-07:00Philly is to NYC what Avenue Q is to Sesame Street...Philly is to NYC what Avenue Q is to Sesame Street.PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-31553741112429546052009-04-28T23:23:00.000-07:002009-04-28T23:23:00.000-07:00VitaR - agree 100% including re: Philly!VitaR - agree 100% including re: Philly!John Evohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10868904051881865159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-43944931050603887522009-04-28T21:44:00.000-07:002009-04-28T21:44:00.000-07:00I think what that one commentator said, comparing ...I think what that one commentator said, comparing religious nuts to Jedi-wannabes was bullshit. He can make that comparison when a "Jedi" persecutes non-Jedis or kills them, or molests Jedi-in-training. . . .<br /><br />It was a stupid, unbalanced analogy.<br /><br />Anthony Powell's religion may not have created his insanity, but let's face it, if he went gaga over Jainism, none of us would be Rachel E. Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680726406269892054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-89482050252244731942009-04-27T06:16:00.000-07:002009-04-27T06:16:00.000-07:00Suggestion Sabio - go fuck yourself.
Have a nice ...Suggestion Sabio - go fuck yourself.<br /><br />Have a nice day. :)PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15599022.post-19961362544796411532009-04-27T03:30:00.000-07:002009-04-27T03:30:00.000-07:00Good insights.
Suggestion, keep the swearing down....Good insights.<br />Suggestion, keep the swearing down.<br /><A HREF="http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2009/04/purity-and-supersense-unites-christians.html" REL="nofollow">Atheists tend to put low value on "purity"</A> issues and thus perhaps are drawn more to the profane.<br />Show people we are bigger than that.<br />Use a different way to express your emotions.<br /><br />Wait: "Christians have Sabio Lantzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12963476276106907984noreply@blogger.com